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PeterCool
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posted March 17, 2003 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterCool   Click Here to Email PeterCool        Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have access to the sales figures of the various archives?

I mean, 12 volumes for the LSH seems excessive, especially when you consider 2nd place is 8 volumes for All-Star and 7 (soon to be 8) for JLA.

Is there an explanation for this? Are the Legion archives the best selling ones?

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted March 17, 2003 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
Let me get this straight: you think the same DC that has cancelled Doom Patrol, Deadman, Spectre, Supergirl, [Superboy[/i], Young Justice, Orion, Azreal, Titans and others in the last 12 months IGNORES sales on the Archives?

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PeterCool
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posted March 17, 2003 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterCool   Click Here to Email PeterCool        Reply w/Quote
Err...

I really don't know how you came to that conclusion.

I'm asking a simple question: are Legion archives actually the best selling ones?

If you have any info on this, I'd love to hear it.

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friend
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posted March 17, 2003 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for friend   Click Here to Email friend        Reply w/Quote
Yeah, right, Legions doesn't sell at all but a few years back Dc received a letter from a sick boy saying that he loved the Legions... So in that spirit, they decided to produce all these volumes even though they lose millions every year...

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chris zickrick
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posted March 17, 2003 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chris zickrick   Click Here to Email chris zickrick        Reply w/Quote
The Legion has fairly rabid fans (I'm one of them) who support the line. Even though I have all the issues, having these babies in nice accessible hardcover's is really great!

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vze2
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posted March 17, 2003 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
Legion was one of the earliest Archives, probably due to the large number of extemely rabid fans of this series. In those days, I thought that Legion was the best reading experience.

What was the competition? I no longer remember. However, GA Superman, Batman, and All-Star are more acquired tastes than Legion (ever notice how many Weisinger-era fans are on this board and how many people complain about the crudeness of most Golden Age comics?)

How many Archive lines existed during the lean years? Again, I don't remember. However, most Archive lines are from after this time period.

So, its a combination of high sales and an early start.

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vze2
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posted March 17, 2003 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
Chris posted while I was writing mine. Notice how both of us called Legion fans rabid.

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Drumore01
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posted March 17, 2003 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drumore01        Reply w/Quote
I also think Legion and JLA sell better because team stories offer more variety that most solo stories. They show more continuity, growth of characters, new members etc. Particularly when you compare it to the Golden Age Batman and Superman Archives, many of those stories can seem redundant, and few "special events" in a volume.

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James Friel
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posted March 17, 2003 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Legion, All-Star, and Justice League basically kept the archives line going for several years in the mid-90s when few if any other titles were being published. That's when they got ahead. When the market changed for the better, the number of lines expanded.
There hasn't been a volume of Legion or one of JLA for two years now, so they're due. What's the problem?

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chris zickrick
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posted March 17, 2003 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chris zickrick   Click Here to Email chris zickrick        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vze2:
Chris posted while I was writing mine. Notice how both of us called Legion fans rabid.

Wasn't that term used in a forward for one of the Legion Archives? I know it's a term used many times

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James Friel
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posted March 17, 2003 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
I think it's the foam around the lips...

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Corrosive Kid
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posted March 18, 2003 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Corrosive Kid        Reply w/Quote
Why is it hard to believe that Legion archives would sell well?

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vze2
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posted March 18, 2003 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
I think PeterCool, the original poster, is just curious. If you look at nothing but the total number of volumes, it does seem strange that Legion sells well enough to warrant 12, but Doom Patrol, Hawkman, and Atom only have 1. Based on volumes alone, it looks like Doom Patrol, Hawkman, and Atom tanked, and we know that didn't happen.

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PeterCool
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posted March 18, 2003 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterCool   Click Here to Email PeterCool        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vze2:
I think PeterCool, the original poster, is just curious. If you look at nothing but the total number of volumes, it does seem strange that Legion sells well enough to warrant 12, but Doom Patrol, Hawkman, and Atom only have 1. Based on volumes alone, it looks like Doom Patrol, Hawkman, and Atom tanked, and we know that didn't happen.

VRE2:

Thanks. Yeah, I was just curious.

I didn't expect to get such... odd responses to a straightforward question.

So far, it seems obvious that no one who has posted here knows the answer to my question: how well do the Legion Archives sell?

It was really just a simple question...

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PeterCool
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posted March 18, 2003 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterCool   Click Here to Email PeterCool        Reply w/Quote
By the way, I am a Legion Fan.

I just find it incredible that the Legion Archives outsell all of the other archives to the extent that Legion would have 50% more archives printed than those in 2nd place (All-Star and JLA).


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posted March 18, 2003 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the ?        Reply w/Quote
Incredible it may be, but it would seem to be true. Legion is immensely popular.

I don't think the responses were quite odd. The Archive publishing schedule isn't as simple as you might think. It's not strictly more archives = higher sales on earlier editions, as you might think.

And, as mentioned before, they started the Legion before All-Star or JLA. And with a limited number of Archives published every year, All-Star and JLA won't catch up until DC stops publishing Legion Archives.

I'm also fairly sure that JLA isn't published as often because Archives featuring their members sometimes take the JLA's spot in the publishing rotation. Legion has no solo archives, so you get them more regularly.

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Joe Pacheco
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posted March 18, 2003 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Pacheco   Click Here to Email Joe Pacheco        Reply w/Quote
It may look odd with 50 lines out there that Legion would have almost twice as many volumes. The thing to remember is that during the early 90's Legion of Superheros were the only line being published with any consistancy. There were 9 Legion books out there before most volumes had 1. It must have sold well enough to support the frequency, while paving the way for the archive line we see today.

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CMCINTYRE3600
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posted March 18, 2003 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CMCINTYRE3600   Click Here to Email CMCINTYRE3600        Reply w/Quote
I imagine that, especially with the later issues, they started also becoming cheaper to reproduce than most other lines. Hence giving them higher profit margins.
Chris

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Drumore01
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posted March 18, 2003 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drumore01        Reply w/Quote
And at one time, Legion Archives were "bumped up" to shipping 9 months apart instead of 12, and I THINK once there might have only been a 6 month gap.

Even during "The Paper Shortage Crisis of Earth-Prime" around 1995(?), Legion was one of two volumes published (with a $60 tag) before the Archives were temporarily suspended for a year or so.

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KryptoSuperDog
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posted March 18, 2003 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KryptoSuperDog        Reply w/Quote
There was a $59.95 Legion Archive? I don't remember that! I have to point out though, that Legion fans are sometimes a separate entity from general DC fans. I am one of the few crossovers, in that I have every issue of Legion ever published, and also read many other DCs. There are some Legion fans who read nothing but Legion. There are some Legion fans who read Legion and no other DCs at all. It's a big and separate group, and some of them will buy every Legion Archive, and none of the others.

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vze2
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posted March 18, 2003 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
As you guessed, I don't know how well Legion sold. However, I am confident that it sold very well compared to the competition.

I'm using the back flaps for my info. I'm not taking the time to get the actual publication order.

Superman and Batman were first. All-Star, JLA, and Legion followed. I think in that order. I can easily see Legion 1 being the best selling Archive that year.

Dark Knight and Shazam! were out by the time Legion 2 was published. Green Lantern was announced. Again, I have no problem believing that Legion was the top seller that year.

By Legion 5, no new lines were added or announced.

When Legion 6 was published, here were the totals, including announced titles.

3 All-Star (smaller fan base, cruder art and story)
Batman 3 + Dark Knight 2 = 5
Flash 1 (4 total if you count JLA)
Green Lantern 1? (not on the back flap of Legion 6)
3 JLA (a lot of people hate Sekowsky)
Superman 4 + Action 1 = 5

By the time 8 arrived, only Wonder Woman and Plastic Man had been added.

So basically, you had Legion, closely followed by Superman and Batman. Then All-Star and JLA. Then a few newer lines that can't catch up no matter how well they sell. I can believe Legion sold well enough to justify this.

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Old Dude
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posted March 18, 2003 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Old Dude   Click Here to Email Old Dude        Reply w/Quote
On another LSH thread on this board, the Levitz Legion stories were mentioned, and someone asked when they would appear in the archives.

One response was: "Paul Levitz started his Legion career the issue after Mike Grell left, so he's not in 11, and he's not going to be in the upcoming 12, either. His run would start being archived either a couple or a few issues into 13."

This made my natural cynicism kick in and wonder if a honcho at DC would fast-track a marginal archive and keep it going just to get it to where he could start receiving roylties from it.

Just a thought.

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James Friel
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posted March 18, 2003 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Some might, I don't really know.
But not Paul. He's on record as being reluctant to see his Legion work archived during his tenure.

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posted March 18, 2003 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the ?        Reply w/Quote
Well, speaking hypothetically, I could see that factor pushing a decision to publish a particular volume over the top. But prolong a series? I don't think so. Certainly not three more marginal volumes, as you suggest. The profit margin on these things isn't large enough to justify publishing them when sales drop off.

And even Paul Levitz is answerable to somebody. If he keeps pushing forward an archive that doesn't sell, he won't remain a honcho for very long.

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Wayne1776
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posted March 18, 2003 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wayne1776   Click Here to Email Wayne1776        Reply w/Quote
The only $59.95 Archive I have is the 1st ed. of BATMAN THE DARK KNIGHT in 1995. The LSH skipped 1995. Vol. 3 was 1994, then Vol. 5 1996.

The first four LSH ARCHIVES were $39.95 then the jump to $49.95. I am sure I have first printings of all 68 Archives that I currently own.

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